1 00:00:13,620 --> 00:00:16,586 Women are not as obsessed with control and power 2 00:00:16,586 --> 00:00:18,862 and domination as men are. 3 00:00:50,275 --> 00:00:53,344 [theme music playing] 4 00:01:00,586 --> 00:01:02,655 MAN: The thing inside of me, it's like... 5 00:01:04,103 --> 00:01:05,965 the appetite -- it's like a wolf that's... 6 00:01:07,068 --> 00:01:10,758 feeling the hunger. 7 00:01:20,827 --> 00:01:24,000 SAHNI: When women kill, it's shocking, because as a society, 8 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,586 we are all socialized to expect certain stereotypic 9 00:01:27,655 --> 00:01:28,793 behaviors in women. 10 00:01:28,862 --> 00:01:31,000 They're congenial. They play nicely. 11 00:01:31,034 --> 00:01:32,482 They know how to be cooperative, 12 00:01:32,482 --> 00:01:34,793 and they certainly aren't violent. 13 00:01:34,862 --> 00:01:37,896 MORGAN: People are used to thinking of men as the part of 14 00:01:37,965 --> 00:01:40,379 the species that is aggressive and kills people 15 00:01:40,379 --> 00:01:42,103 or does something violent. 16 00:01:42,103 --> 00:01:45,000 When people think of women who have killed someone, 17 00:01:45,034 --> 00:01:46,586 it's alarming to them. 18 00:01:46,586 --> 00:01:48,275 It sort of violates the norm of 19 00:01:48,275 --> 00:01:50,000 sugar and spice and all things nice. 20 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,172 That's what girls are made of, right? 21 00:01:52,172 --> 00:01:55,068 We would prefer to believe that women are not violent... 22 00:01:55,137 --> 00:01:58,482 [music playing] 23 00:01:58,482 --> 00:02:00,482 ...but it's not true. 24 00:02:00,482 --> 00:02:02,172 From a scientific perspective, 25 00:02:02,241 --> 00:02:03,689 most studies on psychopathy have 26 00:02:03,758 --> 00:02:06,586 been conducted in male prisoners. 27 00:02:06,655 --> 00:02:09,000 So the data are skewed -- right now, 28 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,689 we tend to think of women being a small percentage of 29 00:02:11,758 --> 00:02:13,068 psychopathic killers. 30 00:02:13,068 --> 00:02:15,000 But I do think there's a greater number 31 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,482 than we imagine. 32 00:02:16,482 --> 00:02:19,172 I think that as a group, female psychopaths, 33 00:02:19,172 --> 00:02:22,137 they're both overlooked, and they're underestimated. 34 00:02:24,275 --> 00:02:28,000 Over the years, popular culture has assigned 35 00:02:28,034 --> 00:02:31,068 labels to particularly heinous crimes 36 00:02:31,068 --> 00:02:33,793 that have been committed by females that have been thought 37 00:02:33,793 --> 00:02:35,275 to be psychopaths. 38 00:02:35,275 --> 00:02:38,586 We're going to examine some of the unique characteristics of 39 00:02:38,655 --> 00:02:42,275 female psychopathy and explore the horrific crimes 40 00:02:42,275 --> 00:02:43,586 that they've committed. 41 00:02:48,793 --> 00:02:51,000 So normally, if you use the term vigilante, 42 00:02:51,034 --> 00:02:53,172 people will think of a man, 43 00:02:53,172 --> 00:02:55,586 maybe even a cowboy film from the West. 44 00:02:55,586 --> 00:02:57,379 People will generally think of it as 45 00:02:57,379 --> 00:03:00,793 a man who's a vigilante trying to seek justice -- 46 00:03:00,793 --> 00:03:04,482 Zorro -- they don't think right away a woman. 47 00:03:04,482 --> 00:03:06,172 And that's why the female psychopath who 48 00:03:06,241 --> 00:03:08,689 is a vigilante flies under our radar. 49 00:03:09,793 --> 00:03:12,482 SAHNI: A vigilante is both judge and jury, 50 00:03:12,482 --> 00:03:14,896 and they decide who lives and who dies. 51 00:03:14,896 --> 00:03:17,275 And while we see male psychopaths that have 52 00:03:17,275 --> 00:03:20,379 that vigilante justice streak in their crimes, 53 00:03:20,448 --> 00:03:23,965 we do see that more often with female psychopathic offenders. 54 00:03:25,689 --> 00:03:28,000 One of the more notorious or well known 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,172 vigilante psychopaths is Aileen Wuornos. 56 00:03:38,103 --> 00:03:39,793 REPORTER: By her own admission, 57 00:03:39,793 --> 00:03:42,000 Wuornos was a hitchhiking highway prostitute 58 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,655 who killed seven motorists in one year. 59 00:03:51,586 --> 00:03:53,896 RAGHAVAN: It's shocking, because women who use 60 00:03:53,965 --> 00:03:55,793 extreme violence are rare. 61 00:03:55,793 --> 00:03:59,275 And so, as human beings, we are always 62 00:03:59,275 --> 00:04:02,379 attracted to or respond to things which are rarer. 63 00:04:02,448 --> 00:04:05,586 We idealize womanhood in very stereotypical 64 00:04:05,655 --> 00:04:07,482 and unrealistic ways, 65 00:04:07,482 --> 00:04:10,896 which then leads to the flip, where we then sensationalize 66 00:04:10,896 --> 00:04:14,068 their violence, so men's violence is normalized, 67 00:04:14,137 --> 00:04:17,586 and women's violence is sensationalized. 68 00:04:17,586 --> 00:04:19,586 SAHNI: When Wuornos is initially caught, 69 00:04:19,655 --> 00:04:22,275 she claims that she killed these men 70 00:04:22,275 --> 00:04:24,068 because she was sexually assaulted by them. 71 00:04:24,068 --> 00:04:26,000 She was physically beaten by them. 72 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 But the evidence just doesn't support that. 73 00:04:28,034 --> 00:04:29,586 What we know is some of the victims were 74 00:04:29,586 --> 00:04:32,482 actually shot in the back -- to make matters worse, 75 00:04:32,551 --> 00:04:35,379 Wuornos stole their cars, she stole their wallets, 76 00:04:35,379 --> 00:04:37,896 and robbery was a secondary game. 77 00:04:39,586 --> 00:04:42,000 Aileen is a woman who has 78 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,275 an upbringing that is not trauma-free. 79 00:04:44,275 --> 00:04:47,379 She has a history of abuse and decides that it would be 80 00:04:47,379 --> 00:04:52,068 fine to rid the world of men who then solicit sex workers. 81 00:04:52,137 --> 00:04:54,586 So she's able to seduce men with the promise 82 00:04:54,586 --> 00:04:57,482 of having sex with them and then killing them. 83 00:04:57,482 --> 00:04:59,103 It's her way of cleaning up 84 00:04:59,103 --> 00:05:01,379 the world -- from a psychoanalytic perspective, 85 00:05:01,379 --> 00:05:02,482 she's just paying the world 86 00:05:02,482 --> 00:05:04,586 back for whatever abuse she suffered. 87 00:05:04,586 --> 00:05:06,379 And there's also a sense of gratification. 88 00:05:06,379 --> 00:05:09,689 They're fulfilling a fantasy of something that they want. 89 00:05:09,758 --> 00:05:13,689 We see a similar justification in another female psychopath, 90 00:05:13,758 --> 00:05:15,000 Angela Simpson. 91 00:06:09,172 --> 00:06:12,896 The use of sex or promises of sexual favors 92 00:06:12,896 --> 00:06:14,793 and sexual interactions or flirting 93 00:06:14,793 --> 00:06:18,689 is a strategy that female offenders do use more so than 94 00:06:18,689 --> 00:06:20,793 male psychopathic offenders. 95 00:06:20,862 --> 00:06:22,793 In the case of both Wuornos and Simpson, 96 00:06:22,793 --> 00:06:26,172 we see that they were able to use this tool of promises of 97 00:06:26,172 --> 00:06:29,689 sex and sexual favors to lure their victims in. 98 00:06:29,689 --> 00:06:31,379 Ultimately, in the process, 99 00:06:31,379 --> 00:06:35,586 these women found a way to access them when their guards 100 00:06:35,655 --> 00:06:36,896 were down, and they were in, 101 00:06:36,896 --> 00:06:38,862 essentially, their most vulnerable state. 102 00:07:16,517 --> 00:07:18,689 SAHNI: There's no evidence that the victim 103 00:07:18,758 --> 00:07:20,068 was ever an informant. 104 00:07:20,137 --> 00:07:23,275 Simpson's outlook is that she is superior to most 105 00:07:23,275 --> 00:07:26,275 people in that she gets to decide who's a snitch. 106 00:07:26,344 --> 00:07:29,275 She gets to decide if they live or die. 107 00:07:29,275 --> 00:07:33,275 MORGAN: Simpson is describing her act of killing men. 108 00:07:33,344 --> 00:07:35,689 It's so matter of fact, while she's eating, 109 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:39,172 just mentioning that she has stabbed and tortured him, 110 00:07:39,172 --> 00:07:41,172 as if it's the same thing as asking 111 00:07:41,172 --> 00:07:43,379 for potato chips or a Diet Coke. 112 00:07:43,379 --> 00:07:45,379 There's nothing shocking about it. 113 00:07:45,448 --> 00:07:48,000 And this is one of the traits that we do talk about in 114 00:07:48,034 --> 00:07:49,379 psychopathy, that people have 115 00:07:49,448 --> 00:07:51,379 low empathy and that they seem callous 116 00:07:51,379 --> 00:07:53,482 and in different to other human life. 117 00:07:53,482 --> 00:07:54,482 And this is a feature that 118 00:07:54,482 --> 00:07:56,862 we don't automatically associate with women. 119 00:08:03,379 --> 00:08:06,068 MORGAN: Men are usually thought of as being stronger, 120 00:08:06,068 --> 00:08:09,000 bigger, and more dominating of women. 121 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,586 And in this situation, she's flipped the power dynamic. 122 00:08:13,655 --> 00:08:18,586 It's the male who is helpless and who is bound, and she is 123 00:08:18,655 --> 00:08:21,586 fully in control of everything that will happen to him, 124 00:08:21,586 --> 00:08:22,965 including his death. 125 00:08:26,103 --> 00:08:28,000 We've all heard the phrase that hell 126 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,379 hath no fury like a woman that's scorned. 127 00:08:30,379 --> 00:08:33,586 Generally, female psychopaths tend to be less physically 128 00:08:33,655 --> 00:08:35,793 violent and more interpersonally 129 00:08:35,793 --> 00:08:39,000 aggressive and manipulative than male psychopaths. 130 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,586 However, when women psychopaths are betrayed 131 00:08:42,586 --> 00:08:46,482 or rejected, sometimes they do become violent, 132 00:08:46,551 --> 00:08:48,689 as we'll see in the case with Jodi Arias. 133 00:09:08,172 --> 00:09:09,275 REPORTER: I have to ask you this. 134 00:09:09,344 --> 00:09:12,000 - Did you kill Travis Alexander? - Absolutely not. 135 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,379 No, I had no part in it. 136 00:09:13,379 --> 00:09:14,689 REPORTER: But a police report shows 137 00:09:14,689 --> 00:09:17,103 forensic evidence tying Arias to the murder. 138 00:09:17,103 --> 00:09:20,689 Alexander was stabbed 27 times, shot once, 139 00:09:20,689 --> 00:09:22,689 and his throat was cut open. 140 00:09:22,758 --> 00:09:26,000 TUSSEY: Jodi Arias, upon hearing that her ex-boyfriend 141 00:09:26,034 --> 00:09:28,172 was going to be going away with another woman, 142 00:09:28,241 --> 00:09:29,689 became triggered, because it was 143 00:09:29,758 --> 00:09:31,896 the ultimate rejection for her. 144 00:09:31,965 --> 00:09:34,379 Basically, it said, he's moved on, 145 00:09:34,448 --> 00:09:38,275 and now she no longer has control over him. 146 00:09:38,275 --> 00:09:40,896 While rejection is difficult for people to accept, 147 00:09:40,896 --> 00:09:46,000 the majority of us are able to process it, move on from it. 148 00:09:46,034 --> 00:09:49,000 But in the case of a female psychopath who is violent, 149 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,689 their ability to handle rejection and their ability to 150 00:09:52,689 --> 00:09:56,689 regulate their emotions of anger and loss 151 00:09:56,758 --> 00:09:59,793 and grief really are significantly lacking. 152 00:09:59,793 --> 00:10:01,586 PROSECUTOR: Was he alive when he was stabbed in the heart? 153 00:10:01,655 --> 00:10:03,000 - WITNESS: Yes. - PROSECUTOR: Was he alive, 154 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 in your opinion, when his throat was slit? 155 00:10:05,034 --> 00:10:06,344 WITNESS: Yes. 156 00:10:14,620 --> 00:10:17,896 Normally when we hear that term about scorn, uh, 157 00:10:17,896 --> 00:10:22,000 we always think of a romantic relationship where people have 158 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,103 been attached, and then 159 00:10:23,103 --> 00:10:25,172 the relationship's falling apart, 160 00:10:25,241 --> 00:10:27,275 but it can be more broad than that. 161 00:10:27,275 --> 00:10:30,068 A person doesn't have to be in a romantic relationship 162 00:10:30,137 --> 00:10:34,482 to feel vengeance is necessary or needed. 163 00:10:34,482 --> 00:10:38,758 And a nice example of that is actually in the Cdebaca case. 164 00:11:43,482 --> 00:11:46,241 MORGAN: Cdebaca is in her early sixties, 165 00:11:46,310 --> 00:11:48,655 and she's had a history of a stroke. 166 00:11:48,724 --> 00:11:52,034 She's living with her daughter and her son-in-law. 167 00:11:52,034 --> 00:11:55,758 And when he speaks in a disparaging way about 168 00:11:55,758 --> 00:11:58,344 an outfit that she's wearing, her clothing, 169 00:11:58,413 --> 00:12:01,448 and she interprets it as a put-down 170 00:12:01,448 --> 00:12:03,103 of who she is as a person. 171 00:12:03,103 --> 00:12:04,896 It's sort of an insult that cuts 172 00:12:04,896 --> 00:12:07,275 right to the core that is disrespectful. 173 00:12:07,275 --> 00:12:09,103 We might say in psychiatry that this is 174 00:12:09,103 --> 00:12:12,172 a narcissistic injury, and with a psychopath, 175 00:12:12,172 --> 00:12:13,655 that's particularly dangerous. 176 00:12:33,275 --> 00:12:36,103 SAHNI: The complete lack of remorse that she's showing is 177 00:12:36,103 --> 00:12:39,758 somewhat stunning, particularly given her age as a female. 178 00:12:39,827 --> 00:12:43,103 When you look at Cynthia Cdebaca, you think of somebody's 179 00:12:43,103 --> 00:12:44,862 grandmother, you think of a kind, 180 00:12:44,931 --> 00:12:48,172 gentle person who wants to nurture her family, who has 181 00:12:48,172 --> 00:12:50,068 a softness about her, and there's 182 00:12:50,068 --> 00:12:52,448 nothing soft or gentle about Cynthia Cdebaca. 183 00:12:52,517 --> 00:12:54,896 She is a female psychopathic offender 184 00:12:54,896 --> 00:12:56,517 who just killed her son-in-law. 185 00:13:22,482 --> 00:13:24,034 SAHNI: In our culture and society, 186 00:13:24,034 --> 00:13:26,862 oftentimes, elderly women are invisible. 187 00:13:26,862 --> 00:13:29,103 They're not seen as authority figures. 188 00:13:29,103 --> 00:13:31,344 They're also not seen as sexual creatures 189 00:13:31,413 --> 00:13:33,689 or as attractive individuals any longer. 190 00:13:33,689 --> 00:13:35,896 Female psychopathic offenders oftentimes are 191 00:13:35,896 --> 00:13:40,000 aware about how society perceives them, as well as 192 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,655 the stereotypical expectations of how a female will behave. 193 00:13:43,724 --> 00:13:46,620 And that isn't any more true than Dorothea Puente. 194 00:14:09,241 --> 00:14:11,965 REPORTER: Police have finally caught up with Dorothea Puente. 195 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,551 She is the woman who is suspected of killing 196 00:14:14,551 --> 00:14:16,275 seven people and burying them 197 00:14:16,275 --> 00:14:18,793 in the yard of her boarding house in Sacramento 198 00:14:18,793 --> 00:14:21,034 for their social security checks. 199 00:14:21,034 --> 00:14:23,896 I have not killed anyone. 200 00:14:23,896 --> 00:14:25,896 I told you that. 201 00:14:25,896 --> 00:14:27,620 I have not killed anyone. 202 00:14:29,103 --> 00:14:31,206 The checks I cashed. Yes. 203 00:14:32,482 --> 00:14:34,551 TUSSEY: Puente flew under the radar 204 00:14:34,620 --> 00:14:36,655 and wasn't detected for quite some time 205 00:14:36,724 --> 00:14:40,000 because, first of all, she disguised herself. 206 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,551 Puente was only in her fifties, but she let herself 207 00:14:43,551 --> 00:14:46,241 look different and older than she really was. 208 00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:50,034 And she was also somebody who ran this boarding home. 209 00:14:50,034 --> 00:14:52,137 People looked at her as a caregiver. 210 00:14:52,137 --> 00:14:54,241 So nobody was suspecting that what she was 211 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:57,241 doing, that she was, in fact, a serial killer. 212 00:14:57,241 --> 00:15:01,482 Another individual who used her identity and her occupation 213 00:15:01,482 --> 00:15:04,000 as a caregiver to avoid detection 214 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,931 was Elizabeth Wettlaufer. 215 00:16:08,689 --> 00:16:10,758 MORGAN: We go to the hospital, we think the people who are 216 00:16:10,758 --> 00:16:13,965 there, or to a nursing home, they're there to help us. 217 00:16:13,965 --> 00:16:16,655 They don't abuse people. They certainly don't kill them. 218 00:16:16,655 --> 00:16:19,862 And then her type of psychopathy is centered around 219 00:16:19,931 --> 00:16:21,862 this notion, we can think of 220 00:16:21,862 --> 00:16:24,862 the angel of mercy type of serial killer. 221 00:16:24,931 --> 00:16:26,896 What she'll say to other people is they shouldn't live 222 00:16:26,896 --> 00:16:29,241 that long, or I'm helping them along. 223 00:16:29,241 --> 00:16:31,000 Although when we look at her statements more closely, 224 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,862 we end up finding that there's more than meets the eye. 225 00:16:33,862 --> 00:16:37,482 TUSSEY: What's different about the way female psychopaths 226 00:16:37,482 --> 00:16:41,000 engage in violent behavior versus male psychopaths 227 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,965 is that when they are violent, 228 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,862 sometimes it's a little more discrete. 229 00:16:44,862 --> 00:16:49,379 Whereas we might expect a male to stab someone or shoot 230 00:16:49,379 --> 00:16:51,551 someone, in this case, 231 00:16:51,620 --> 00:16:53,965 it's much more subtle, and it also makes it 232 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,827 more difficult to detect. 233 00:17:15,379 --> 00:17:17,344 TUSSEY: When you work in a nursing facility, 234 00:17:17,413 --> 00:17:20,896 you're expecting patients to have some behavioral 235 00:17:20,896 --> 00:17:23,172 and/or emotional difficulty. 236 00:17:23,172 --> 00:17:24,793 She's accepted a role as a nurse 237 00:17:24,793 --> 00:17:27,758 as a caregiver to people who need help, 238 00:17:27,827 --> 00:17:31,655 and she's ultimately using that to kill people. 239 00:17:31,724 --> 00:17:34,965 She's a great example of a female psychopath. 240 00:17:34,965 --> 00:17:38,793 She's using her knowledge and her role as a caregiver 241 00:17:38,793 --> 00:17:42,103 to kill someone in a way that's very discreet 242 00:17:42,103 --> 00:17:44,862 and could have flown under the radar for 243 00:17:44,931 --> 00:17:47,965 who knows how many more victims had she not come forward. 244 00:18:08,103 --> 00:18:11,000 While Wettlaufer was the caregiver to all of 245 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,275 her victims, 246 00:18:12,275 --> 00:18:15,586 it's important to note that she didn't kill them on day one. 247 00:18:15,586 --> 00:18:17,862 She facilitated a relationship with them, 248 00:18:17,931 --> 00:18:20,965 she bonded with them, and ultimately poisoned them. 249 00:18:24,034 --> 00:18:25,965 TUSSEY: Another distinction between male 250 00:18:25,965 --> 00:18:28,655 and female psychopaths is their motive. 251 00:18:28,655 --> 00:18:31,068 Male psychopaths may have a motive 252 00:18:31,068 --> 00:18:33,448 such as sexual gratification or pleasure, 253 00:18:33,517 --> 00:18:37,448 for example, like John Wayne Gacy or Ted Bundy, 254 00:18:37,517 --> 00:18:39,000 but female psychopaths 255 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,551 tend to have a motive toward greed 256 00:18:42,620 --> 00:18:45,137 and financial security and stability. 257 00:18:45,137 --> 00:18:48,862 The label "black widow" has been assigned to females 258 00:18:48,931 --> 00:18:51,241 who kill significant others 259 00:18:51,310 --> 00:18:53,965 or spouses to gain some sort of financial means 260 00:18:53,965 --> 00:18:58,068 or security, and a great example of that is Jill Coit. 261 00:19:02,862 --> 00:19:05,034 REPORTER: This Southern Belle, once a former model 262 00:19:05,034 --> 00:19:07,896 and beauty queen, has been married 10 times, 263 00:19:07,896 --> 00:19:10,448 and no less than two of her husbands have died in 264 00:19:10,517 --> 00:19:12,241 mysterious circumstances. 265 00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:14,965 There was always a different person, a different man. 266 00:19:14,965 --> 00:19:16,655 REPORTER: Her youngest son, William, doesn't 267 00:19:16,655 --> 00:19:18,965 remember much about his father, Clark. 268 00:19:18,965 --> 00:19:22,586 He was just three years old in 1972 when his dad was 269 00:19:22,586 --> 00:19:25,034 found murdered -- Jill Coit was the cops' 270 00:19:25,034 --> 00:19:26,655 number-one suspect. 271 00:19:26,724 --> 00:19:28,689 I have never murdered anyone, and I definitely did not 272 00:19:28,689 --> 00:19:30,862 - murder Mr. Coit. - REPORTER: To this day, 273 00:19:30,931 --> 00:19:32,448 the case remains unsolved. 274 00:19:32,448 --> 00:19:35,551 Jill received almost $200,000 in stocks 275 00:19:35,620 --> 00:19:37,896 and bonds from her husband's estate. 276 00:19:37,896 --> 00:19:42,241 Jill Coit is an individual who married multiple times. 277 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:46,103 She married men and lured them out of money, 278 00:19:46,103 --> 00:19:49,655 out of their life savings, out of their homes. 279 00:19:49,724 --> 00:19:51,862 She got them to take care of her children 280 00:19:51,862 --> 00:19:54,172 while she moved on to her next victim. 281 00:19:54,172 --> 00:19:58,655 She made up fantastic stories to gain their sympathy. 282 00:19:58,655 --> 00:19:59,965 I don't smoke or drink. 283 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,034 I guess my greatest sin is that I get married. 284 00:20:04,275 --> 00:20:06,068 SAHNI: Ultimately, Jill Coit ends up 285 00:20:06,068 --> 00:20:08,655 marrying a gentleman named Gerry Boggs. 286 00:20:08,724 --> 00:20:12,655 When Gerry figured out that Jill was a liar, 287 00:20:12,724 --> 00:20:15,379 his mission is to make sure that everybody knew 288 00:20:15,379 --> 00:20:16,862 that Jill Coit was a fraud. 289 00:20:16,862 --> 00:20:18,758 Ultimately, he sued her for fraud. 290 00:20:18,827 --> 00:20:21,448 Six days before that trial was set to begin, 291 00:20:21,517 --> 00:20:24,241 Jill convinced her new boyfriend to dress in 292 00:20:24,241 --> 00:20:26,172 a disguise, women's clothing, 293 00:20:26,172 --> 00:20:30,655 a wig, and to enter the home and shoot and kill Gerry Boggs. 294 00:20:45,172 --> 00:20:48,586 TUSSEY: So we know that male psychopaths tend to target 295 00:20:48,586 --> 00:20:51,655 random victims, people they don't necessarily know. 296 00:20:51,655 --> 00:20:54,551 But in contrast, female psychopaths tend to 297 00:20:54,620 --> 00:20:56,482 target individuals they know. 298 00:20:56,482 --> 00:20:58,965 They develop close relationships sometimes with 299 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,034 the very people that they're going to take advantage of. 300 00:21:02,034 --> 00:21:04,586 And some female psychopaths will use behavior 301 00:21:04,586 --> 00:21:06,551 like flirtation and sex 302 00:21:06,551 --> 00:21:09,689 in order to manipulate and entrap their victims, 303 00:21:09,689 --> 00:21:13,068 and a great example of that is Dalia Dippolito. 304 00:21:52,793 --> 00:21:53,862 [Dippolito sighs] 305 00:22:20,448 --> 00:22:23,448 What's interesting about Dippolito's case is that 306 00:22:23,448 --> 00:22:25,965 she actually was working as an escort 307 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,379 when she met her husband, and it's a transactional 308 00:22:29,379 --> 00:22:32,034 relationship that's mutually agreed upon. 309 00:22:32,034 --> 00:22:34,241 Dippolito worked in commercial sex, 310 00:22:34,241 --> 00:22:37,965 which means she's repeatedly been in some ways dehumanized, 311 00:22:37,965 --> 00:22:41,689 probably exposed to violence, and probably does not think 312 00:22:41,689 --> 00:22:43,689 highly of men nor see them as 313 00:22:43,689 --> 00:22:48,068 anything else but objects that purchase her and ill treat her. 314 00:22:48,068 --> 00:22:51,655 Dalia Dippolito learned about her husband's property 315 00:22:51,655 --> 00:22:54,172 and life insurance before she married him. 316 00:22:54,172 --> 00:22:57,241 And so this is sort of a long-term plan 317 00:22:57,310 --> 00:22:59,862 where she marries -- she seduces him, 318 00:22:59,862 --> 00:23:02,862 she marries him, and then she puts a hit on him 319 00:23:02,862 --> 00:23:06,000 to inherit property and life insurance. 320 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,965 So it wasn't impulsive. 321 00:23:07,965 --> 00:23:10,103 She planned it coldly. 322 00:23:39,275 --> 00:23:44,000 Dippolito tells the undercover officer, who she thinks is 323 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,379 a hitman, that she's tougher 324 00:23:46,379 --> 00:23:49,655 than she looks and she knows that he sees her 325 00:23:49,655 --> 00:23:50,862 as a cute little girl. 326 00:23:50,862 --> 00:23:53,379 What she's actually giving us is a little bit of insight 327 00:23:53,379 --> 00:23:56,551 and awareness into what she knows about how to 328 00:23:56,620 --> 00:23:58,241 manipulate others. 329 00:23:58,241 --> 00:24:00,000 While Dippolito believes she's gonna walk 330 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,862 out of this as a single rich lady, 331 00:24:01,862 --> 00:24:03,172 she's about to find out that 332 00:24:03,172 --> 00:24:05,551 her reality is absolutely not coming true. 333 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,655 TUSSEY: So despite being obviously caught, 334 00:24:29,724 --> 00:24:32,655 you don't see the remorse that you would expect to see. 335 00:24:32,724 --> 00:24:35,965 She's actually trying to regain control of the situation 336 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,172 and manipulate her husband again, 337 00:24:38,172 --> 00:24:40,413 and she's almost playing the victim. 338 00:24:51,448 --> 00:24:55,068 Oftentimes, society doesn't find it hard to see women as 339 00:24:55,068 --> 00:24:56,965 fragile and frail, 340 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,689 the damsel in distress, that victim that needs rescuing. 341 00:25:00,689 --> 00:25:04,275 But when you have a female psychopath who knows that 342 00:25:04,275 --> 00:25:07,103 about society and uses that to their advantage, 343 00:25:07,103 --> 00:25:09,758 what you might actually have is not a damsel in distress, 344 00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:11,344 but a stone-cold killer, 345 00:25:11,344 --> 00:25:13,344 like the case of Pamela Smart. 346 00:25:26,689 --> 00:25:28,586 We had sex. 347 00:25:28,586 --> 00:25:31,068 - By that you mean intercourse? - Yeah, we made love. 348 00:25:31,068 --> 00:25:32,793 REPORTER: In court today, Smart admitted 349 00:25:32,793 --> 00:25:34,137 to having a steamy affair with 350 00:25:34,137 --> 00:25:36,241 a teenage student but eventually tried 351 00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:37,241 to break it off. 352 00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:38,758 The defendant says the student, 353 00:25:38,827 --> 00:25:41,448 William Flynn, was so distraught at the prospect of 354 00:25:41,448 --> 00:25:43,551 not seeing her that he threatened 355 00:25:43,551 --> 00:25:46,344 to kill himself but ended up killing her husband. 356 00:25:46,344 --> 00:25:48,482 PROSECUTOR: Do you want this jury to understand 357 00:25:48,482 --> 00:25:50,241 in that Bill Flynn decided to kill your husband 358 00:25:50,241 --> 00:25:51,551 because you broke up with him? 359 00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:52,758 I don't know why Bill Flynn killed Gregg. 360 00:25:52,758 --> 00:25:54,862 I can just come in here and give my testimony. 361 00:25:54,931 --> 00:25:56,344 PROSECUTOR: So even as you sit here today, 362 00:25:56,344 --> 00:25:58,655 you still have no idea why he may have done this. 363 00:25:58,655 --> 00:26:00,000 - Is that it? - I have not -- 364 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,241 I didn't say I had no idea, 365 00:26:01,241 --> 00:26:03,241 - but I don't know specifically. - Well, I'm asking you. 366 00:26:03,241 --> 00:26:05,344 What do you think? Why do you think he did this? 367 00:26:06,793 --> 00:26:08,827 Probably because he thought we could be together. 368 00:26:10,103 --> 00:26:12,551 There are several characteristics 369 00:26:12,620 --> 00:26:14,275 of psychopathy that we can see 370 00:26:14,275 --> 00:26:16,344 in this scenario with Pamela Smart. 371 00:26:16,413 --> 00:26:18,379 First of all, she is failing 372 00:26:18,379 --> 00:26:20,896 to accept any responsibility for this. 373 00:26:20,896 --> 00:26:24,103 Second of all, there is no remorse. 374 00:26:24,103 --> 00:26:26,793 There's no indication that she feels bad 375 00:26:26,793 --> 00:26:28,862 that her husband was killed in the first place. 376 00:26:28,931 --> 00:26:32,344 It's rather cold and callous in the way she talks about it. 377 00:26:32,413 --> 00:26:34,965 There is no emotion behind it. 378 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,172 It's really if anything, she feels indignant and seemingly 379 00:26:39,172 --> 00:26:42,448 upset with the student for sending her to prison. 380 00:26:44,586 --> 00:26:46,241 [screaming] 381 00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:48,862 The damsel in distress ruse that female 382 00:26:48,931 --> 00:26:52,344 psychopaths can use can be very effective. 383 00:26:52,413 --> 00:26:56,034 An example in the case of Jennifer Pan, who used the ruse 384 00:26:56,034 --> 00:26:59,655 quite effectively initially, but it didn't work in the end. 385 00:28:38,482 --> 00:28:40,689 MORGAN: She keeps holding her hand over her heart. 386 00:28:40,689 --> 00:28:45,206 She speaks in a soft -- a soft voice, 387 00:28:45,206 --> 00:28:48,482 is trying to cry at times. 388 00:28:48,482 --> 00:28:50,413 She looks vulnerable. 389 00:28:50,413 --> 00:28:52,965 We do have that instinct as humans 390 00:28:52,965 --> 00:28:56,310 to try and help another human in distress. 391 00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:59,034 And it's effective as a ruse, because it lets 392 00:28:59,034 --> 00:29:01,413 the psychopath go undetected if 393 00:29:01,413 --> 00:29:03,689 we think we're helping the victim, and we don't realize 394 00:29:03,689 --> 00:29:05,724 we're actually helping the murderer. 395 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,137 But it doesn't take long for the detectives to figure out 396 00:29:09,137 --> 00:29:11,862 that something doesn't quite add up. 397 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,000 RAGHAVAN: We find out that, for the last four or five years, 398 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,344 she has been leading a double life, one which she has 399 00:29:47,344 --> 00:29:49,655 constructed intricately. 400 00:29:49,655 --> 00:29:52,344 Her parents believe that she's going to pharmacy school. 401 00:29:52,344 --> 00:29:55,551 She is gaining a degree, that things are going beautifully. 402 00:29:55,551 --> 00:29:58,551 And then in the real life, she's really not doing anything. 403 00:29:58,551 --> 00:30:01,758 And we discover that her parents strongly disapproved 404 00:30:01,758 --> 00:30:04,379 of her boyfriend, who has a criminal record 405 00:30:04,379 --> 00:30:05,862 and is a drug dealer. 406 00:30:19,689 --> 00:30:21,000 I think the parents are probably going to 407 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,620 cut her off and not give her any money. 408 00:30:23,620 --> 00:30:27,482 And then we see the reactive rage to that. 409 00:30:27,482 --> 00:30:31,172 So an additional element of psychopathy is the parasitic 410 00:30:31,172 --> 00:30:32,413 lifestyle, we call it, 411 00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:36,068 meaning that they will live off of other people. 412 00:30:36,068 --> 00:30:39,137 And in Pan's case, she wants her parents' money. 413 00:30:39,137 --> 00:30:41,655 She's been enjoying living off their money. 414 00:30:41,655 --> 00:30:43,172 She has been a parasite. 415 00:30:43,172 --> 00:30:46,758 She's lying to them to get all the benefits of living with 416 00:30:46,758 --> 00:30:49,931 them as long as she can get everything else that she wants. 417 00:30:56,586 --> 00:30:59,965 REPORTER: Hann Pan says he saw his daughter, Jennifer, untied, 418 00:30:59,965 --> 00:31:01,413 whispering back and forth with 419 00:31:01,413 --> 00:31:04,517 one of the intruders, and he described that conversation as 420 00:31:04,517 --> 00:31:06,448 soft and friendly. 421 00:31:06,448 --> 00:31:08,965 He says he could hear his wife begging 422 00:31:08,965 --> 00:31:11,034 for their daughter's safety -- "Don't hurt her," 423 00:31:11,034 --> 00:31:14,275 she cried, and then the trigger was pulled. 424 00:31:16,655 --> 00:31:21,620 She worked with her boyfriend to set up a murder, and he 425 00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:25,758 had hired men to come into the house and kill her parents. 426 00:31:25,758 --> 00:31:27,793 She could no longer keep up the lies, 427 00:31:27,793 --> 00:31:31,206 so that her entire world was going to collapse. 428 00:31:31,206 --> 00:31:33,965 MORGAN: To want to hear your parents get killed 429 00:31:33,965 --> 00:31:36,965 or to see it rather than asking someone 430 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,965 to come in and kill her parents while she's away, 431 00:31:38,965 --> 00:31:42,241 it means she's much more callous and cold-hearted, 432 00:31:42,241 --> 00:31:46,206 we say that lacking empathy in psychopathy. 433 00:31:55,379 --> 00:31:57,689 SAHNI: When we think about parent and child relationships, 434 00:31:57,689 --> 00:31:59,655 in the case of Jennifer Pan, parents 435 00:31:59,655 --> 00:32:01,793 don't think that their children would ever harm them. 436 00:32:01,793 --> 00:32:03,000 As they get older, 437 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,344 they put trust in their children to take care of them, 438 00:32:05,344 --> 00:32:07,724 to care for them, and to remain watchful. 439 00:32:07,724 --> 00:32:10,586 We also think of parent-child relationships in the reverse, 440 00:32:10,586 --> 00:32:13,344 that parents are charged with keeping their children safe, 441 00:32:13,344 --> 00:32:17,241 except in the cases of female psychopathic killers and what 442 00:32:17,241 --> 00:32:20,551 we think of in popular culture as mommy dearest. 443 00:32:20,551 --> 00:32:22,448 And that couldn't be more obvious 444 00:32:22,448 --> 00:32:24,551 than in the case of Susan Smith. 445 00:32:44,896 --> 00:32:49,724 I would like to -- to say to whoever has my children... 446 00:32:51,724 --> 00:32:56,620 that they please, I mean, please, bring them home. 447 00:32:56,620 --> 00:33:00,206 In 1994, Susan Smith got on national television 448 00:33:00,206 --> 00:33:02,000 and pleaded with the person 449 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,517 who supposedly had carjacked her with her two young children 450 00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:06,655 sleeping in the back. 451 00:33:06,655 --> 00:33:09,103 But what we now know, tragically, is that 452 00:33:09,103 --> 00:33:10,758 while she was on national television, 453 00:33:10,758 --> 00:33:12,965 pleading for the return of her children, 454 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,551 Susan Smith the whole time knew that her children were 455 00:33:15,551 --> 00:33:17,344 dead at the bottom of a lake. 456 00:33:17,344 --> 00:33:21,034 She wanted to be in a new romantic relationship 457 00:33:21,034 --> 00:33:23,172 and the man she was interested in 458 00:33:23,172 --> 00:33:25,862 was not interested in dating a woman 459 00:33:25,862 --> 00:33:27,034 with young children. 460 00:33:27,034 --> 00:33:30,275 Susan Smith strapped her children into their car seats 461 00:33:30,275 --> 00:33:32,448 and let the car essentially 462 00:33:32,448 --> 00:33:35,655 roll into a body of water, where they slowly drowned. 463 00:33:36,896 --> 00:33:40,206 For a woman to turn around and kill her kids is -- 464 00:33:40,206 --> 00:33:41,862 is not right. 465 00:33:41,931 --> 00:33:43,068 There's no way to explain it. 466 00:33:43,068 --> 00:33:45,448 You can't even understand it. 467 00:33:45,448 --> 00:33:47,482 RAGHAVAN: It's shocking, because, in fact, 468 00:33:47,482 --> 00:33:50,034 women who use extreme violence are quite rare. 469 00:33:50,034 --> 00:33:52,689 We are primed as a culture to be more in 470 00:33:52,689 --> 00:33:55,172 shock when women are violent, where we normalize 471 00:33:55,172 --> 00:33:56,517 men's violence. 472 00:33:57,379 --> 00:34:00,068 If someone has psychopathic traits and they become 473 00:34:00,068 --> 00:34:02,793 a mother, it might change things for a little while. 474 00:34:02,793 --> 00:34:05,172 And the part that's narcissistic, 475 00:34:05,172 --> 00:34:09,068 she might be excited at the idea of creation or birth. 476 00:34:09,068 --> 00:34:13,068 But once the reality comes in, the deep, personal sacrifices, 477 00:34:13,068 --> 00:34:15,862 the loss of time, where you put your money, 478 00:34:15,931 --> 00:34:18,344 the perhaps absence of attention from 479 00:34:18,344 --> 00:34:20,034 potential partners, 480 00:34:20,034 --> 00:34:23,551 um, it immediately and quickly becomes less exciting. 481 00:34:24,758 --> 00:34:27,137 SAHNI: To be a successful, effective parent, 482 00:34:27,137 --> 00:34:29,275 your children's needs oftentimes come before 483 00:34:29,275 --> 00:34:32,793 your own, and in the case of Elaine Campione, 484 00:34:32,793 --> 00:34:35,137 that was something that smacked her in the face 485 00:34:35,137 --> 00:34:36,862 when she and her husband separated, 486 00:34:36,862 --> 00:34:39,551 and he filed for full custody of both of their daughters. 487 00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:58,034 Elaine Campione's sense of self-worth, her identity, 488 00:35:58,034 --> 00:36:01,068 and her entire sense of self 489 00:36:01,068 --> 00:36:04,034 was based on the idea that she was this perfect mother. 490 00:36:04,034 --> 00:36:05,413 She was doting over the children. 491 00:36:05,413 --> 00:36:09,379 She was a loving mother, and ultimately, her ex-husband's 492 00:36:09,379 --> 00:36:11,103 decision to leave the family 493 00:36:11,103 --> 00:36:13,586 was not just a rejection of her, 494 00:36:13,586 --> 00:36:15,620 but it was him rejecting her daughters. 495 00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:17,103 This is Campione's narrative. 496 00:36:17,103 --> 00:36:20,275 So her ex-husband now files for full custody in court. 497 00:36:20,275 --> 00:36:23,862 So in her mind, Elaine Campione only has one choice. 498 00:36:33,517 --> 00:36:34,689 DETECTIVE: Mm-hmm. 499 00:36:58,379 --> 00:37:00,620 What she's essentially describing are the post mortem 500 00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:03,068 effects of her having drowned them to death. 501 00:37:04,344 --> 00:37:07,448 And after Elaine Campione drowns each of her daughters 502 00:37:07,448 --> 00:37:10,034 and then dresses them up in cute little princess dresses, 503 00:37:10,034 --> 00:37:13,034 curls their hair, and puts them to bed, dead, 504 00:37:13,034 --> 00:37:16,344 and while it may seem like Elaine Campione is having 505 00:37:16,344 --> 00:37:19,310 a psychotic episode and she's out of touch with reality, 506 00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:21,896 what we know from the rest of the case file is 507 00:37:21,896 --> 00:37:25,551 this was just another example of Campione's attempts to 508 00:37:25,551 --> 00:37:27,344 manipulate investigators. 509 00:37:47,551 --> 00:37:51,206 So her performance appears theatrical. 510 00:37:51,206 --> 00:37:55,137 It appears as if she's saying what she thinks will help her 511 00:37:55,137 --> 00:37:56,413 manipulate the situation. 512 00:37:56,413 --> 00:37:59,344 She's acting the way she thinks might be helpful for 513 00:37:59,344 --> 00:38:03,172 her, pretending as if she has no idea what's going on. 514 00:38:03,172 --> 00:38:05,965 She actually very clearly does just a few 515 00:38:05,965 --> 00:38:08,689 minutes later whenever she asks for a lawyer. 516 00:38:21,965 --> 00:38:24,379 TUSSEY: She created this video of her girls 517 00:38:24,379 --> 00:38:26,482 just before she murdered them. 518 00:38:26,482 --> 00:38:30,310 She's presenting herself as this very loving mother. 519 00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:32,758 It's almost like she wanted to create this 520 00:38:32,758 --> 00:38:36,103 to further hurt her ex-husband, to show him, 521 00:38:36,103 --> 00:38:37,517 "Look at your beautiful girls. 522 00:38:37,517 --> 00:38:39,344 Look how much we loved each other," 523 00:38:39,344 --> 00:38:40,724 and then she murdered them. 524 00:38:40,724 --> 00:38:45,689 So it's another way for her to exact callous 525 00:38:45,689 --> 00:38:48,758 vengeance against him for seeking custody. 526 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,620 She ended up taking a handful of pills, and by 527 00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:43,413 all accounts, it appears she did not expect to wake up. 528 00:39:43,413 --> 00:39:46,689 And this was really her last memorialization of what kind of 529 00:39:46,689 --> 00:39:48,620 mom she was and what she wanted 530 00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:50,965 to be the narrative, and consistent with what we see 531 00:39:50,965 --> 00:39:52,827 with many psychopathic individuals, 532 00:39:52,827 --> 00:39:55,000 her need to remain in control of 533 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,758 the narrative prevailed right up until the end. 534 00:39:59,517 --> 00:40:02,000 TUSSEY: Becoming a parent doesn't stop you 535 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,206 from being a psychopath. 536 00:40:03,206 --> 00:40:05,448 You can still have psychopathic behaviors 537 00:40:05,448 --> 00:40:06,448 and tendencies 538 00:40:06,448 --> 00:40:09,310 no matter what role you have in a family. 539 00:40:09,310 --> 00:40:11,896 She manipulated her ex-husband 540 00:40:11,896 --> 00:40:15,482 and used their children as pawns. 541 00:40:15,482 --> 00:40:17,827 They were her tools, unfortunately, 542 00:40:17,827 --> 00:40:20,724 to exact harm against her ex-husband. 543 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,551 RAGHAVAN: There are female killers, and yes, 544 00:40:36,551 --> 00:40:38,310 they're very violent, but they are rare. 545 00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:40,586 I think that's important to say. 546 00:40:40,586 --> 00:40:44,620 Eighty to 90 percent of homicides are committed by men, 547 00:40:44,620 --> 00:40:47,517 and the remaining homicides that are committed by women. 548 00:40:47,517 --> 00:40:50,379 most of it is in self-defense. 549 00:40:50,379 --> 00:40:52,034 That is not true of men. 550 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,000 MORGAN: It's important to focus on cases of women 551 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,137 who are psychopaths, because it's a cultural blind spot. 552 00:41:00,137 --> 00:41:03,206 It helps us remember that there are female psychopaths, 553 00:41:03,206 --> 00:41:05,827 and there's male psychopaths, and that to be equally 554 00:41:05,827 --> 00:41:07,551 protected against both, 555 00:41:07,551 --> 00:41:12,275 I think we need to be able to look for those signs 556 00:41:12,275 --> 00:41:15,517 and understand how sometimes cultural stereotypes will 557 00:41:15,517 --> 00:41:18,724 blind us right away to seeing those signs. 558 00:41:20,896 --> 00:41:23,000 SAHNI: The female psychopath, while it is 559 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,689 a seemingly rare population, 560 00:41:24,689 --> 00:41:28,275 what we also do know, which is somewhat humbling, is that 561 00:41:28,275 --> 00:41:31,965 the female psychopath may go more undetected. 562 00:41:31,965 --> 00:41:35,103 What makes them more dangerous is that they blend in. 563 00:41:35,103 --> 00:41:38,586 They are upstanding members of society on the surface. 564 00:41:38,586 --> 00:41:40,620 They hold leadership positions. 565 00:41:40,620 --> 00:41:42,517 They are sometimes the backbone and fiber 566 00:41:42,517 --> 00:41:44,827 of social organizations, and they 567 00:41:44,827 --> 00:41:49,241 also go undetected, because of how they're able to navigate 568 00:41:49,241 --> 00:41:50,482 their crimes. 569 00:41:50,482 --> 00:41:53,517 They tend to use their interpersonal relationships 570 00:41:53,517 --> 00:41:55,689 and willingness to manipulate others in 571 00:41:55,689 --> 00:41:58,517 a manner that allows them to identify and prey on their 572 00:41:58,517 --> 00:42:00,551 victims more easily than men. 573 00:42:00,551 --> 00:42:02,000 And as a result, it may also 574 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,448 be part of why they avoid detection. 575 00:42:04,448 --> 00:42:05,586 MAN: Are you remorseful? 576 00:42:05,586 --> 00:42:07,862 - Not at all? - MAN: Why? 577 00:42:07,862 --> 00:42:10,310 Why would I be? What's the difference? 578 00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:11,758 Everybody has a reason to kill.